ibach welcome to the journal editorial report as we wrap up a busy week for donald trump and his legal team. stormy daniels took the stand with some salacious testimony that may have done the prosecution more harm than good as the defense calls for a mistrial as two criminal cases against the former president hit new roadblocks that could push them past the november election, with the judge delaying the classified documents case in florida. an appeals court reviewing the decision to keep district attorney vani will less on the case. kim's trostle and manhattan institute senior fellow jason riley. you are following the trial in new york. what are the most important things we have learned now that in an is in its third week?

>> the most important thing we have not learned is what the second crime is. donald trump was indicted for falsifying business records, this would be a misdemeanor normally unless you could claim he had a felonious intent to commit another crime. da alvin bragg has been all over the place in terms of what the second crime is. there were claims that it was tax issues, campaign finance violations. what we are seeing is alvin bragg throwing everything at the wall including from stormy rambles -- stormy daniels, suggesting and intimating this was a nonconsensual moment with donald trump.

this is not related, a lot of besmirching of the defendant. >> it was greatly prejudicial. when you needed was to show for the sake of the prosecution argument was that it took place. it is not there to establish credibility. the judge said so and trying to instruct the jury what to on here and so forth. someone sitting down, starting the appeal already. it is clear the judge let things get out of hand, acknowledged as much, what the takeaway was.

paul: did stormy daniels's testimony hurt the prosecution? it is aiming at public opinion. humiliating for trump which may have been the point. >> that was the point and has been all along. this prosecution has been brought mainly, wind it back. all these prosecutions will, the idea at the bottom of it is trump is a, quote, threat to democracy. democrats believe he is a threat to democracy. rather than appealing to voters, say vote against this threat to democracy they have decided to undertake this legal offensive and create whatever arguments they could against him. they are trying to knock down trump personally while on the other side making a legal argument. our other friends in the cable news business are running headlines, the hush money trial, hush money is legal.

it is a campaign-finance trial. he will not get many viewers if you are averaging thing -- advertising a campaign-finance trial and that is a stretch and it is not beyond imagining to me that you will get a hung jury. paul: you think it could be a hunger jerry kiker manhattan jury? that his chances of being vindicated will be appealed. >> jurors take work seriously. i don't think all of them are going in there automatically for preconceived notions donald trump is guilty. the judge is going to give them instructions. he will mitigate the stormy daniels testimony. it's not beyond imagining there's a hung jury on this. paul: put tenants in larger

context, one of four criminal cases, this is the only one that is proceeding to an actual trial. they are delaying, what is this telling us about the effectiveness of this democratic trial, campaign by criminal prosecutions. >> what it is telling us is risky business. democrats faced a stark choice last year. they can confront the fact they had a week potential nominee for reelection in president biden. a man who is unpopular and presiding over an unpopular progressive policy and try to fix that and win an election the old-fashioned way or they could go down the road of lawfair and they were banking on a couple things, that you were going to rally republicans around donald trump, win him the nomination so he was a sure

thing as an opponent but drain his resources, stick him in court and by the process of indicting and making too toxic to win a general election. what we are seeing is a lot of these campaigns, the american people are not taking them on board or deciding that that is disqualifying for donald trump and you have these delay is because a lot of these prosecutors brought bad cases are overreached and what they were trying to prove. they are complex issues and the courts are saying we have to work through them so they are being delayed so it's not going the way they planned. they don't have a plan b other than confront the fact that president biden is there nominee. paul: they are left with the weakest case being the new york case being the one that proceeds which means even if he is convicted, his question whether or not voters will be affected by it.

>> it's the weakest ticket is the easiest to show partisan motivation. it's the weakest for a couple reasons but it is not working. donald trump spent his days sitting in a court room leading in national polls and in swing states even though he's not able to campaign. they were hoping that this would neuter donald trump. they thought this strategy would work and i think the biggest setback of all the three cases out there for democrats is probably the january 6th case. the democrats wanted to run on january 6th and threats to democracy. they were hoping to get a conviction out of that case going into the election to harm donald trump. that delay, the supreme court

has looked at that, at the oral arguments, they are probably going to say donald trump does not get total immunity but the case will go to lower court, find out what comes under immunity and what does not, that is a delay and that is probably of all the cases out there. paul: protests continue on campuses across the country leading to police crackdowns and commencement ceremonies and biden's support for israel may not be so ironclad as the president threatens an arms embargo. i'll be okay. does this look ok?! ugh. how do i protect myself? with the new scotts healthy plus lawn food. it's the only product that prevents 27 diseases while feeding your grass to help keep your lawn healthy this season. want me to show you how to put it on? no, i think i know how to use a spreader.

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the annihilation of israel, the world's only jewish state. it's despicable and it must stop. paul: president biden at the holocaust remembrance ceremony at the us capitol in his most forceful denunciation of anti-semitism on college campuses. violent protests continue this week with police arresting dozens at george washington university as a pro palestinian encampment sparked outrage from some in the president's own party. as a back lash grows on the left, the administration support for israel may not be so ironclad after all. the president confirming the president and the administration pause delivery of some weapons and could move forward with a broader arms embargo launching a full-scale invasion. jason, what did you think of the president's remarks? where they adequate to the moment? >> the remarks are fine.

people are saying the right things here. people in charge of this aren't doing it. they are indulging it. graduation ceremonies being canceled, faculties joining the protesters, demands being met. the protesters are winning, that's the problem, not what people are saying, what people are doing or not doing. paul: any signees protests are ebbing, the protesters can say we are going to do this because it's getting us somewhere. >> there's two things going on. jason is right there's a feeling among the protesters and left-wing members of congress that the protests work. having said that, it is worth noting get the protests are being taken apart. leadership matters. biden said these things are he didn't. he did say the right thing. in the week that followed, the

george washington protests were taken down, dc police and the encampments at mit and pen. and this has to stop. the presidents as well, it is moving in a volatile direction. this was discovered here, the outside agitators, not merely willing to sit down and protests. progress was made. it still raises the question whether they were success and affecting the policy of the administration. paul: i want to talk about another reaction to protests, a group of ten or so federal

judges have written a letter that we will not hire columbia law school clerks if they protested until the school fixes things and anti-semitism. >> i understand what they are trying to do, send a message to administrations, doing harm by not requiring kids to follow the rules. what we are finding is this is captured on camera, follows kids around the rest of their life. my concern, it doesn't make distinctions, they are not taking part of this and will be collectively ostracized from having attended the university.

there's an element of cancel culture here and i do wish these judges were being more specific about how they will make their hiring decisions based on people's personal actions, not necessarily the failure of an administration. paul: you agree with collective punishment? >> if muslim students on campus were being threatened or gay students or black students i don't think people would have a problem and i don't understand why jewish students should be okay to threaten them. i do take kim's point you are painting a broadbrush here. the moment calls for that. paul: it would have a deterrent effect in students, i would like to be a clerk under a federal judge but if you go to columbia maybe not. it's a significant sanction.

>> whether it is in missions, donor intent and even the makeup of the faculty. if they let this roll over i hate to say it, some of those protesters will eventually be back -- faculty at these universities. paul: the decision to hold weapons, threatening a full-scale embargo, this comes soon after congress voted to pass more weapons. what do you make of the decision? >> after october 7th president biden said that hamas needs to be taken out like isis. what happened to that joe biden? if israel stops now without going into rfafah where they believe the mastermind is holdup, hostages including

children with human shields in place, if israel stops now everything up until now hamas will regroup and not only that, you have hezbollah watching up north, what will they think? go get some hostages and wait out the united states. only bad things can come from how biden is responding to this moment and i'm glad congress was upset. those were overwhelming my barges it -- bipartisan majorities, israel and ukraine, and congress wants israel to win this war, the american public wants israel to win this war and president biden needs to get on board. paul: why is the president doing this? some people think it is because he views the protests as a threat to his presidency but also the administration wants a security deal between saudi arabia and israel as a foreign

policy victory he can run on between now and november so saudi arabia, why do you think he is doing it? >> if that's the reason you are doing it, that you are undermining yourself because as jason notes we do not allow israel the ability to finish this task, this will drag on longer. i think most of this is blatant partisan political pandering aimed at dearborn, michigan and that is a mistake too because the president is very focused on young voters, the most liberal progressive members of his base, keeping them on board and enthused to come out in this election but these actions are antithetical to the broad will of the american public and a president that has horrible

ratings, he's risking getting on the wrong side of yet another important american priority in a way that could hurt him more in an election scenario. paul: the president could be disapproved by both sides, the protesters may not say this soon enough or enough, the pro's -israeli wing of the party could say you are betraying us. >> what are our allies thinking when the president said his commitment to israel is ironclad, suddenly he is pausing these munitions, that does not send a good message to our allies in the rest of the world. paul: a closer look at the groups behind the unrest spreading across america's college campuses and their potential ties to hamas. former tara finance analyst breaks down anti-israel money trail next. and over 400,000 of us have left blood thinners behind... ...for life.

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paul: anti-israel protests are spreading across the country that is my next guest says the unrest is not always spontaneous or organic but cultivated by potentially dangerous groups, individuals and organization nations with ties to hamas charities, that provide training, tacking -- talking points and financial support. a former terrorism for finance analyst, for research at the foundation for defense of democracy. the policy dispute over an arms embargo for israel, do you think that will deter the israeli government from moving into rafah? >> the israelis were widening their operation which is a

surprise to me. they want to send a message of defiance that a us embargo imposed by the president will not stop them in their goal of destroying hamas after the 10-seven attacks. the israelis look on the third. paul: the main subject is your research into who is behind these protests. in particular i want to ask about students for justice in palestine which seems to be on a lot of college campuses, providing a lot of network infrastructure if you will. tell us about this group, and where does it get its money from? >> as jp is the most ubiquitous group out there on campus space, they have 200 chapters across the country. when you go back and look, they found the first chapter founded by the guy who created the

first chapter on berkeley's practice in the 1990s, the founder and chairman of an organization called american muslims for palestine based in virginia and this is a group we can now see on campus, directed at columbia, gw, penn, this group that incubated and funded as jp to begin with, their leadership is being spotted on campus. they are at the encampments, chanting, speaking, getting direction to the students. this is by far not organic and. it is not spontaneous. it is driven by outsiders. paul: i am outraged about gaza, where are, where's anp, and as jp.

>> as jp doesn't need a lot of money. this is not an expensive and to ever, these encampments, anp is a corporate not for profit but not a c3. that is the fiscal sponsor based in chicago. it's called americans for justice in palestine. this is a convoluted money trail and i think it was designed to be that way so we wouldn't know who was driving this chaos. paul: have you been able to find out who is doing getting your research in the government? is that something you look at? >> anp is a successor

organization, three charities that were shut down in the united states for supporting hamas. the first was the holy land foundation shut down into thousand one that was raised in texas, a successor organization was shut down by the treasury in 2006 based in toledo and another one in chicago called islamic association for palestine that was sued successfully by the family of a young man who was killed by hamas, $156 million in damages. anp is the successor of all 3 of those groups. we see individuals that were formerly associated with those three hamas charities. when you piece this together, you can see not only is the campus unrest not organic or spontaneous but driven by people with us trump -- troubling past. paul: what is their goal? does this change policy on the middle east or the fundamental goal here?

>> they are trying to raise consciousness about the palestinian cause and they are trying to lend credence to hamas itself. you see with the chanting and rhetoric on campus it is an attempt to legitimize hamas but i also think there's intimidation going on not only of pro-israel kids on campus but you are starting to ceat university, administrations cower in the face of the violence and intimidation. organizers understand this and are pressing their advantage. paul: some people, guilt by association by throwing in hamas, and it is unfair to link them to hamas. >> when you see what they are

chanting, calling for an intifada, a violent uprising, calling from the river to the sea talking about the annihilation of israel. these are things we commonly associate with hamas rhetoric. when you start to piece together who is driving the protests and who is providing that guidance behind the scenes, you see a much more troubling picture. we can't see all of it but there are fact patterns that are impossible to ignore. paul: president biden makes his fourth visit to the crucial swing state of wisconsin as he tries to convince voters his economic policies are working. so far voters buying it. we break down the latest numbers next. when you're a small business owner, your to-do list can be...a lot.

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electorate his economic policies are working. the latest harris poll finds only 35% of voters think the economy is on the right track, more than half say their personal economic situation is only fair. let's bring in mark penn, chairman of harris poll and ceo of stagg well. where does the presidential race stand? the president had a comeback of sorts. the evidence suggests that. was ahead now? >> in our poll, donald trump is ahead of president biden. in this rematch, by four or five points, other polls in the swing states show the state of the union produced are two point bump for two months or so but the truth is of this

election, unless president biden starts to make some course corrections seems to be sliding away from him. paul: the economy remains in your view his biggest vulnerability, 35% number is pretty ugly if you are an incumbent. >> the biggest vulnerability is not going for the swing voters, a lot of time after college campus vote instead of the nikki haley vote and those are the decisive voters he really needs. when you look at the economy, and immigration, the central issues, his pitch that the economy is great is not working. look at latinos in my poll, 72% say the economy is on the wrong track so you have a lot of working-class voters who feel inflation is eating their paycheck. paul: the president's economic

response seems to be here are all these new jobs created by federal money we are supplying for new plants and so on at the microsoft plant and the other one is taxes, he wants to fight over the trump tax cuts and make and acquires issue. are these good themes from your point of view to make a comeback on the economy? >> i don't think people have tuned into the tax increase is like limiting capital gains tax, incredible consequences for people's 401(k)s, $7 trillion budget that he has proposed. i don't think people know the details of the economic plan because most people are concerned about too much

spending in the inflationary environment looking for greater responsibility. to most voters that's not tax increases. paul: that attacks he's making on trump's tax cuts and tax reform could create problems for the president because it will raise the issue of tax increases? >> i never thought class warfare from a democrat was an effective argument, already got those voters, to the working-class voters, feeling an inch of inflation. higher taxes on corporations doesn't help somebody going to the grocery store for the price of eggs. paul: let's turn to the campus protests and this division in the democratic party. how big a threat to the president's reelection is this divide? >> the more the president moves against is real, the more it

becomes a serious liability for the president. you ask voters a simple question, israel or hamas, they are 80-20. a lot of young people, close to 50/50 would answer that question differently but those voters are never voting for donald trump. the voters in the center want to see a strong president, people like hamas, defeated, so the truth of the matter is he took a position the protests were wrong and took oppose-ish and that hamas had to be eliminated, did the opposite the day after. it was a mistake by the president. paul: looking at the democratic coalition are you saying the majority of democrat voters are pro-israel, and if it comes to a real fight over arms embargo

would oppose the president, not that they vote against him but that policy? >> there's a split in the democratic party, you did see a strong vote for funding for the weapons and that is very different from withholding armaments to an ally in the middle of a war. it's not just about israel but the president's overall strength. the democratic party could sustain a strong position about taking out hamas. the more the president tries to please everyone, he can please no one and that's the problem in the democratic party. can't rerun the race of last time, too many people are dissatisfied with the economy and other issues in the center. the president has 2 make the support there.

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trump's vice presidential pick after several contenders appeared at mar-a-lago, an event seen by many as an audition for the number 2 spot on the republican ticket. what should the presumptive republican nominee be looking for in a running mate this time around? how important is the vice president will pick this time? >> it is important for who could be president but rarely decisive as an election issue. is more important? >> i think it is more important. mainly both of the candidates are incumbents. if they win, they can only serve four more years. this is a successor election. the vice president is going to matter. related to that is the fact that in the indiana primary

this week, who came in, nikki haley came in second with 20% of the vote. paul: she is still not running. >> what that suggests is a lot of independent votes out there need to be appealed to. trump in 2016 got 48% of the independent vote. four years later it fell to 41%. he has to expand his base, and name that is in play is j d vance. i don't think he gets trump anything with independent voters. he duplicates trump. the issue raised, the candidate has to be loyal to trump. this person is simply another trump, that doesn't get votes for trump in this election. paul: the importance of trump's pick, what happens with kamala

harris. it is widely expected given president biden's age, he may not make it another term. that contrast is significant. >> she is a major liability, i think, for the biden campaign. it is incumbent upon trump not to fix -- pick someone who is equally able for voters to write off. if he's got someone who is very strong and you get the additional contrast with a flailing president and not very popular current vice president, that could be important for him. i would also add this matters in terms of a stabilizing influence on trump. that was the merit of mike pence last time. a lot of things, he doesn't care about policy, having somebody strong on the policy front and stable not only sends a message to voters but also could be important to him if he

wins elections too. paul: conventional wisdom of trump is you wants to dominate. he wouldn't choose anybody who would seem to outshine him and therefore he would be reluctant to pick nikki haley for example or even glenn youngerkin who would have real appeal to suburban voters. do you think that would prevail? or is trump going to since the political wind and say i really do need somebody like that this time? >> we've been spending a lot of time waiting for trump to change. we seem to be waiting in vain. i think his ego is going to drive this like it has driven other decisions he has made. he's looking for someone with undying loyalty to him. i think he is looking for someone who shares his

sentiments about the election in 2,020. neil: is that a litmus test? >> perhaps it is. we start senator tim scott hesitate when asked how he would respond to the results this time around and i think that is an indication that there's an audience of one for that answer the tim scott was giving. i think nikki haley checks a lot of boxes. not only does she have executive experience but foreign policy experience as a un ambassador. this is a dangerous world. she is someone going and hitting the ground running. there is tension if nikki haley were to express interest in the job. if she made the first step there. paul: she hasn't endorsed him yet. >> not saying she should be ruled out but as things currently stand i don't think she is someone he would pick. >> jason raises an interesting

point whether this is a litmus test choice that is going to be made. biden's selection of kamala harris was a litmus test. he said it was going to be a woman and after george floyd it had to be a black woman. kamala harris's approval rating is below president biden's if that is possible. i don't think even republican voters or trump's base are looking for a litmus test, a successor election. they may be committed to donald trump, but there are conservatives and republicans would like to see those ideas pushed forward beyond trump and carried, but rather than a litmus test. paul: do you have a particular individual who might, if trump picked him or her do the most to change the impression in a positive direction about trump as for a another term.

>> you have to choose if you want to do that and change the impression you have to do nikki haley or glenn youngerkin, a strong signal of stability against a guy who is beloved but little bit of a firecracker sometimes. paul: we have to take one more break. when we come back, hit and misses from the week. ♪ ursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need... ...without the stuff you don't. so, here's to now. boost. every day, more dog people, and more vets are deciding it's time for a fresh approach to pet food.

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paul: time for hits and misses. you are up first, kim. kim:i miss to npr's new ceo failing to show up at a congressional hearing this week as she had been requested to do to explain her radio network's

unhinged liberal bias. npr is claiming she had a long-standing scheduling conflict but let's be clear. the taxpayers fund npr and congress writes the checks so what this actually was was flagrantly disregarding a summons from her boss. another reason we should be rethinking public funding for an outfit with no guard rails. paul: jason. >> never thought i would say this but this is a hit for tom brady for in during the three our roast on live television. was raunchy, it was crude, it was politically incorrect and it was hilarious. as a lifelong buffalo bills fan, i think the former new england patriot deserved everything he got. paul: i might add long suffering buffalo bills fan. >> a big mister george washington university in

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